Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

[Moe~~~]

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Spoiler

I had two literature professors who taught me that there was nothing more important than the narrative structure. Their training was relentless.

I’m a narrative soldier. I zero in on narrative structure problems at the speed of light and I can’t let it go. Even for a movie I desperately want to support, involving characters that I love. Even for Captain America: Civil War.

‘A movie is not awesome just because it has cool characters with superpowers!’ I found myself yelling at my friends on the streets shortly after leaving a Civil War screening.

Hear me out: I am there for the cameos (oh, Ant-Man, hello!), I am there to geek hard (oh that’s a reference to another Marvel movie, gotcha). But first of all, I am there for the stories.

I don’t mind superhero movies, I don’t care if that’s the only movies Hollywood end up doing, as long as their stories are good. Was Civil War’s storytelling good? A sad ‘no’.

I love, love, love Captain America. It’s my favourite Marvel’s franchise and the Cap is my favourite Avenger. And I ship him so much with Bucky. Their friendship (or love story in my eyes) is my relationship goal.

At a movie industry job interview back in January, when they asked me which movie I was looking forward to in 2016, I did not name dropped some artsy film to appear knowledgeable and answered Civil War. I am pretty sure I drooled a little too.

Indeed, Winter Soldier had left me teary and wanting to know what the future held for Steve and Bucky. Bucky had saved Steve, leaving him semi-conscious on a beach before disappearing again. They went their separate ways, but the link had been restored.

The premise of Civil War gave me a lot of feels: Captain America going rogue to protect his one true friend Bucky Barnes. It sounded like the ultimate ‘Us v the World’ story.

All those looks Steve and Bucky exchanged in the movie gave me life, every time the Cap defended him my heart melt.

From the first Captain America movie to this one, the chemistry and history between those two characters have been the cement of the franchise. However, everything around it seemed shaky in Civil War.

Civil War’s stakes are too low. Or rather, they are high, but they are constantly undermined by undecisive narrative moves. Civil War is about Captain America turning his back on Iron Man, breaking The Avengers to save one guy. It’s huge. You wouldn’t expect that from Mister Perfect.

Not only does he refuse to sign a treaty putting limitations to the spectrum of action of The Avengers, he is also willing to destroy his alliances and put his partners lives on the line for Bucky.

This is quite intense for a superhero that has been so often accused of being too vanilla, especially compared to the flamboyant Iron Man.

Instead of playing out the intensity to the max, the screenwriters played it safe. Choices are made, but not really. Relationships are damaged. But not so dramatically. And no one dies.

‘Marvel is not DC, DC does dark’ was I told when I raised that argument. Marvel should go down the road the story needs. Not the opposite.

The screenwriters have taken literally every opportunity to sugarcoat Civil War. First example: the kiss between Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter, with Bucky watching and cheering from the backseat.

This is Steve and Bucky against the world. The Cap shouldn’t have romance on his mind. I don’t care about Steve and Sharon. Not now, not in this film. ‘Insignificant argument’ you will say. Wait there is more.

The so-long awaited superheroes smackdown was quite a let-down. Not because it happened in an aeroport -which is not very visually stimulating-, but because the superheroes who were enemies for an afternoon spent their time making sure each other were alright and cracking jokes.

They are not bad guys, they care for each other, that’s understandable. But such camaraderie made it a low-stake fight that wasn’t captivating except for Spiderman’s acrobaties.

In true Joss Whedon style (we wouldn’t want to disturb the audience by changing the tone and also lose the credibility acquired with the Whedon association you see), they tried to bring on the drama after 10 minutes of jokes by making War Machine take a hit but even they couldn’t go through with this idea.

They let War Machine live. Then we are told he might be paralysed. And ultimately, we see him learning to walk again thanks to Tony’s high-tech crutches.

I believe this fight should have happened after the revelation about Iron Man’s parents death had been made. This superfight needed a reason other than political to be fought. It needed to be personal.

It certainly got personal between Steve and Tony in the Hydra bunker and a good editing move would have been to end Civil War there.

With Tony wounded on the floor, beaten and betrayed by Captain America who gave up his shield -what a strong symbol- for his murderous friend. Well, the screenwriters thought again that was too harsh.

Let’s finish Civil War with Tony reading a letter of apology from Steve, fedexed along with a mobile phone he can use to reach him when he is ready.

The olive branch is there and you can tell by Tony’s facial expression that he is not that mad at Steve anymore. He will pick up that phone and they will ally against a bigger evil in the next film.

The after credit scene suggests that Tony and the army will come for Bucky once again though. Wasn’t that supposed to be dealt with in Civil War? What was the purpose of this film? I am getting really impatient with every Marvel movie blatantly being nothing more than an appetizer for the next one.

I gave Marvel the benefit of the doubt, but the delusion is strong with Civil War. This movie needed to be self-sufficient, it needed a shattering disruptive event, it needed closure. It needed a proper narrative structure.

If it wasn’t for Steve and Bucky’s moving friendship, I would have been bored out of my mind. There was no real bad guy, no immutable decisions made, no heavy consequences. And this was supposed to be a civil war. It was civil alright…

Sai bét nhé, Marvel > DC

 

[Le Duong]

Sai bét nhé, Marvel > DC

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Toàn mấy bố đi tính tiền dùm ng ta. Tiền kiếm cho lắm vào rồi tiếp tục đẻ ra mấy phim rõ nhạt. Ý mình là trans

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Đến giờ vẫn ko hiểu sao có nhiều ng kêu Lex Luthor giống Joker của Health Ledger nữa. Lex trong film rõ ràng rất thâm sâu, tính toán, kế hoạch chi tiết ngay từ đầu. Nó khác với Joker của Nolan là 1 thằng điên đúng nghĩa, nhưng ứng phó nhanh nhạy, bất cần đời.

Toàn loại phong trào, thấy ng ta khen thì bầy đặt theo chứ biết joker thằng mẹ nào. Thấy thg nào villain điên điên là quy về joker nolan thôi chứ biết đặc sản gì nữa đâu.

 

[tienlapro]

Thấy khá đúng

Spoiler

I had two literature professors who taught me that there was nothing more important than the narrative structure. Their training was relentless.

I’m a narrative soldier. I zero in on narrative structure problems at the speed of light and I can’t let it go. Even for a movie I desperately want to support, involving characters that I love. Even for Captain America: Civil War.

‘A movie is not awesome just because it has cool characters with superpowers!’ I found myself yelling at my friends on the streets shortly after leaving a Civil War screening.

Hear me out: I am there for the cameos (oh, Ant-Man, hello!), I am there to geek hard (oh that’s a reference to another Marvel movie, gotcha). But first of all, I am there for the stories.

I don’t mind superhero movies, I don’t care if that’s the only movies Hollywood end up doing, as long as their stories are good. Was Civil War’s storytelling good? A sad ‘no’.

I love, love, love Captain America. It’s my favourite Marvel’s franchise and the Cap is my favourite Avenger. And I ship him so much with Bucky. Their friendship (or love story in my eyes) is my relationship goal.

At a movie industry job interview back in January, when they asked me which movie I was looking forward to in 2016, I did not name dropped some artsy film to appear knowledgeable and answered Civil War. I am pretty sure I drooled a little too.

Indeed, Winter Soldier had left me teary and wanting to know what the future held for Steve and Bucky. Bucky had saved Steve, leaving him semi-conscious on a beach before disappearing again. They went their separate ways, but the link had been restored.

The premise of Civil War gave me a lot of feels: Captain America going rogue to protect his one true friend Bucky Barnes. It sounded like the ultimate ‘Us v the World’ story.

All those looks Steve and Bucky exchanged in the movie gave me life, every time the Cap defended him my heart melt.

From the first Captain America movie to this one, the chemistry and history between those two characters have been the cement of the franchise. However, everything around it seemed shaky in Civil War.

Civil War’s stakes are too low. Or rather, they are high, but they are constantly undermined by undecisive narrative moves. Civil War is about Captain America turning his back on Iron Man, breaking The Avengers to save one guy. It’s huge. You wouldn’t expect that from Mister Perfect.

Not only does he refuse to sign a treaty putting limitations to the spectrum of action of The Avengers, he is also willing to destroy his alliances and put his partners lives on the line for Bucky.

This is quite intense for a superhero that has been so often accused of being too vanilla, especially compared to the flamboyant Iron Man.

Instead of playing out the intensity to the max, the screenwriters played it safe. Choices are made, but not really. Relationships are damaged. But not so dramatically. And no one dies.

‘Marvel is not DC, DC does dark’ was I told when I raised that argument. Marvel should go down the road the story needs. Not the opposite.

The screenwriters have taken literally every opportunity to sugarcoat Civil War. First example: the kiss between Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter, with Bucky watching and cheering from the backseat.

This is Steve and Bucky against the world. The Cap shouldn’t have romance on his mind. I don’t care about Steve and Sharon. Not now, not in this film. ‘Insignificant argument’ you will say. Wait there is more.

The so-long awaited superheroes smackdown was quite a let-down. Not because it happened in an aeroport -which is not very visually stimulating-, but because the superheroes who were enemies for an afternoon spent their time making sure each other were alright and cracking jokes.

They are not bad guys, they care for each other, that’s understandable. But such camaraderie made it a low-stake fight that wasn’t captivating except for Spiderman’s acrobaties.

In true Joss Whedon style (we wouldn’t want to disturb the audience by changing the tone and also lose the credibility acquired with the Whedon association you see), they tried to bring on the drama after 10 minutes of jokes by making War Machine take a hit but even they couldn’t go through with this idea.

They let War Machine live. Then we are told he might be paralysed. And ultimately, we see him learning to walk again thanks to Tony’s high-tech crutches.

I believe this fight should have happened after the revelation about Iron Man’s parents death had been made. This superfight needed a reason other than political to be fought. It needed to be personal.

It certainly got personal between Steve and Tony in the Hydra bunker and a good editing move would have been to end Civil War there.

With Tony wounded on the floor, beaten and betrayed by Captain America who gave up his shield -what a strong symbol- for his murderous friend. Well, the screenwriters thought again that was too harsh.

Let’s finish Civil War with Tony reading a letter of apology from Steve, fedexed along with a mobile phone he can use to reach him when he is ready.

The olive branch is there and you can tell by Tony’s facial expression that he is not that mad at Steve anymore. He will pick up that phone and they will ally against a bigger evil in the next film.

The after credit scene suggests that Tony and the army will come for Bucky once again though. Wasn’t that supposed to be dealt with in Civil War? What was the purpose of this film? I am getting really impatient with every Marvel movie blatantly being nothing more than an appetizer for the next one.

I gave Marvel the benefit of the doubt, but the delusion is strong with Civil War. This movie needed to be self-sufficient, it needed a shattering disruptive event, it needed closure. It needed a proper narrative structure.

If it wasn’t for Steve and Bucky’s moving friendship, I would have been bored out of my mind. There was no real bad guy, no immutable decisions made, no heavy consequences. And this was supposed to be a civil war. It was civil alright…

Ôi đệt... đọc nguyên cả bài y hệt như 1 lá love letter ship 1 cuộc tình giữa 2 thằng Cap với Win, cuối bài nó chốt 1 từ friendship làm mình giật mình phải kiểm tra lại có đọc lộn hay không....

 

[namhaitac]

cốt truyện bo3 có liên quan gì đến bo 2 ko

Đéo liên quan mơí vl , nhưng mà vẫn có nhắc lại 1 vài sự kiện menendez. Nói chung là lấy bối cảnh xa bo2 quá

 

[Katori Itto]

Điển hình là có nhiều thằng khẳng định cái TDK hay và nổi là nhờ cái chết của Heath Ledger, nếu như mà thằng Heath nó diễn bình bình, ko hay thì còn nói đc. Đằng này nó diễn quá tốt cơ

 

[hoanghoihai]

Thầy giáo chơi vãi

 

[hungma147]

Ôi đệt... đọc nguyên cả bài y hệt như 1 lá love letter ship 1 cuộc tình giữa 2 thằng Cap với Win, cuối bài nó chốt 1 từ friendship làm mình giật mình phải kiểm tra lại có đọc lộn hay không....

Đọc đến câu I ship him so much with Bucky là nhẹ nhàng đóng spoil lại ko đọc nữa rồi

Điển hình là có nhiều thằng khẳng định cái TDK hay và nổi là nhờ cái chết của Heath Ledger, nếu như mà thằng Heath nó diễn bình bình, ko hay thì còn nói đc. Đằng này nó diễn quá tốt cơ

Ko xét yếu tố hành động thì riêng khoản nội dung, twist thiếc với đắc và đíp thì TDK nó hay VKL. Đợt mình xem xong ra còn nhớ bao nhiêu thoại của Joker, nhiều câu ngẫm lại đúng vãi đái.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Điển hình là có nhiều thằng khẳng định cái TDK hay và nổi là nhờ cái chết của Heath Ledger, nếu như mà thằng Heath nó diễn bình bình, ko hay thì còn nói đc. Đằng này nó diễn quá tốt cơ

Cũng ko thể phủ nhận việc Heal chết làm cái chất của Joker đc mọi ng tung hô thành thần thánh. Đỉnh cao nhất là mấy cái thể loại share đại một câu quote ở đâu đó rồi gán cho thg Joker

 

[namhaitac]

Thì mấy ông DC kia vào kích đểu ấy mà . Vào đó thảo luận bình thường ai nói gì đâu.

Bên đó có thanh niên thích đá đểu bvs , có người kích lại thì lại giãy nãy như đĩa phải vôi. Xong lái sang vấn đề khác ngay. Tự nhận là fan trung lập cơ đấy,cơ mà 10 post hết 8 post đá đểu rồi, đa nhân cách cmnlr. Bác xem 2 2pic, nếu trung lập thì sẽ thấy ngay

 

[lBatMan]

cũng ko cần thiết , từ hồi boss bên chúng cho thấy trình của mình là tụt mẹ nó hết hung


từ đây đến SS bên đó cũng chả lòi ra them 1 super villain nào để war đâu

 

[bachhoangson]

Thấy khá đúng

Spoiler

I had two literature professors who taught me that there was nothing more important than the narrative structure. Their training was relentless.

I’m a narrative soldier. I zero in on narrative structure problems at the speed of light and I can’t let it go. Even for a movie I desperately want to support, involving characters that I love. Even for Captain America: Civil War.

‘A movie is not awesome just because it has cool characters with superpowers!’ I found myself yelling at my friends on the streets shortly after leaving a Civil War screening.

Hear me out: I am there for the cameos (oh, Ant-Man, hello!), I am there to geek hard (oh that’s a reference to another Marvel movie, gotcha). But first of all, I am there for the stories.

I don’t mind superhero movies, I don’t care if that’s the only movies Hollywood end up doing, as long as their stories are good. Was Civil War’s storytelling good? A sad ‘no’.

I love, love, love Captain America. It’s my favourite Marvel’s franchise and the Cap is my favourite Avenger. And I ship him so much with Bucky. Their friendship (or love story in my eyes) is my relationship goal.

At a movie industry job interview back in January, when they asked me which movie I was looking forward to in 2016, I did not name dropped some artsy film to appear knowledgeable and answered Civil War. I am pretty sure I drooled a little too.

Indeed, Winter Soldier had left me teary and wanting to know what the future held for Steve and Bucky. Bucky had saved Steve, leaving him semi-conscious on a beach before disappearing again. They went their separate ways, but the link had been restored.

The premise of Civil War gave me a lot of feels: Captain America going rogue to protect his one true friend Bucky Barnes. It sounded like the ultimate ‘Us v the World’ story.

All those looks Steve and Bucky exchanged in the movie gave me life, every time the Cap defended him my heart melt.

From the first Captain America movie to this one, the chemistry and history between those two characters have been the cement of the franchise. However, everything around it seemed shaky in Civil War.

Civil War’s stakes are too low. Or rather, they are high, but they are constantly undermined by undecisive narrative moves. Civil War is about Captain America turning his back on Iron Man, breaking The Avengers to save one guy. It’s huge. You wouldn’t expect that from Mister Perfect.

Not only does he refuse to sign a treaty putting limitations to the spectrum of action of The Avengers, he is also willing to destroy his alliances and put his partners lives on the line for Bucky.

This is quite intense for a superhero that has been so often accused of being too vanilla, especially compared to the flamboyant Iron Man.

Instead of playing out the intensity to the max, the screenwriters played it safe. Choices are made, but not really. Relationships are damaged. But not so dramatically. And no one dies.

‘Marvel is not DC, DC does dark’ was I told when I raised that argument. Marvel should go down the road the story needs. Not the opposite.

The screenwriters have taken literally every opportunity to sugarcoat Civil War. First example: the kiss between Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter, with Bucky watching and cheering from the backseat.

This is Steve and Bucky against the world. The Cap shouldn’t have romance on his mind. I don’t care about Steve and Sharon. Not now, not in this film. ‘Insignificant argument’ you will say. Wait there is more.

The so-long awaited superheroes smackdown was quite a let-down. Not because it happened in an aeroport -which is not very visually stimulating-, but because the superheroes who were enemies for an afternoon spent their time making sure each other were alright and cracking jokes.

They are not bad guys, they care for each other, that’s understandable. But such camaraderie made it a low-stake fight that wasn’t captivating except for Spiderman’s acrobaties.

In true Joss Whedon style (we wouldn’t want to disturb the audience by changing the tone and also lose the credibility acquired with the Whedon association you see), they tried to bring on the drama after 10 minutes of jokes by making War Machine take a hit but even they couldn’t go through with this idea.

They let War Machine live. Then we are told he might be paralysed. And ultimately, we see him learning to walk again thanks to Tony’s high-tech crutches.

I believe this fight should have happened after the revelation about Iron Man’s parents death had been made. This superfight needed a reason other than political to be fought. It needed to be personal.

It certainly got personal between Steve and Tony in the Hydra bunker and a good editing move would have been to end Civil War there.

With Tony wounded on the floor, beaten and betrayed by Captain America who gave up his shield -what a strong symbol- for his murderous friend. Well, the screenwriters thought again that was too harsh.

Let’s finish Civil War with Tony reading a letter of apology from Steve, fedexed along with a mobile phone he can use to reach him when he is ready.

The olive branch is there and you can tell by Tony’s facial expression that he is not that mad at Steve anymore. He will pick up that phone and they will ally against a bigger evil in the next film.

The after credit scene suggests that Tony and the army will come for Bucky once again though. Wasn’t that supposed to be dealt with in Civil War? What was the purpose of this film? I am getting really impatient with every Marvel movie blatantly being nothing more than an appetizer for the next one.

I gave Marvel the benefit of the doubt, but the delusion is strong with Civil War. This movie needed to be self-sufficient, it needed a shattering disruptive event, it needed closure. It needed a proper narrative structure.

If it wasn’t for Steve and Bucky’s moving friendship, I would have been bored out of my mind. There was no real bad guy, no immutable decisions made, no heavy consequences. And this was supposed to be a civil war. It was civil alright…

Wall of text, đi ra, ai tóm tắt hộ cái !

 

[hungma147]

Wall of text, đi ra, ai tóm tắt hộ cái !

Đại ý là Marvel > DC

 

[Namikaze Minato]

cũng ko cần thiết , từ hồi boss bên chúng cho thấy trình của mình là tụt mẹ nó hết hung


từ đây đến SS bên đó cũng chả lòi ra them 1 super villain nào để war đâu

Đang chờ SS bị tố đạo giống GoTG đây.

 

[hoanghoihai]

Ko xét yếu tố hành động thì riêng khoản nội dung, twist thiếc với đắc và đíp thì TDK nó hay VKL. Đợt mình xem xong ra còn nhớ bao nhiêu thoại của Joker, nhiều câu ngẫm lại đúng vãi đái.

 

[Datnguyen2310]

Ko xét yếu tố hành động thì riêng khoản nội dung, twist thiếc với đắc và đíp thì TDK nó hay VKL. Đợt mình xem xong ra còn nhớ bao nhiêu thoại của Joker, nhiều câu ngẫm lại đúng vãi đái.

TDK ấn tượng nhất với tình huống gài mìn 2 cái phà, không biết Nolan hay Goyer bịa ra mà khéo vãi chưởng . Nhưng cảm giác xem TDK thỏa mãn trí óc thôi chứ không lên đỉnh về mặt cảm xúc như Băng vệ Sinh, mình vẫn yêu Băng vệ Sinh hơn một chút

 

[Le Duong]

Bvs cũng kế thừa ý tưởng tdk. Its not about money, its about sending a message,no one stays good in this world

 

[Le Duong]

Wall of text, đi ra, ai tóm tắt hộ cái !

Phim giả vờ đíp đắc. Anh hùng đánh nhau nhưng vẫn có thời gian cười cợt,đạo luật anh hùng biến thành cái plot device,đến cuối thì tony cũng chả giận cap nữa,làm màu mị fan

 

[Fiesta Titanium]

cũng ko cần thiết , từ hồi boss bên chúng cho thấy trình của mình là tụt mẹ nó hết hung


từ đây đến SS bên đó cũng chả lòi ra them 1 super villain nào để war đâu

Hơi đâu war với các thanh niên thôn thích bàn chuyện vĩ mô triệu đô nghìn tỉ, nói nói 1 hồi nó hết lý lại mang box office ra ăn vạ dùm thằng Marvel cứ như đó là cty nhà nó ấy . cho nó sống ảo tí để sáng mai còn quay về với thế giới thực.